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		<title>Vegetarianism, Atheism, and Why I&#8217;m a Feminist</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few months ago, I wrote something about an unpleasant exchange I had with a stranger on the internet.  What occurred to me is that vegetarians, like women, are expected to let go of their firmly held beliefs because we are told that someday we&#8217;ll change our minds. For example: &#8220;Someday, you will decide to &#8230; <a href="http://catieljoy.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/vegetarianism-atheism-and-why-im-a-feminist/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=catieljoy.wordpress.com&amp;blog=27591926&amp;post=454&amp;subd=catieljoy&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months ago, I wrote something about an unpleasant exchange I had with a stranger on the internet.  What occurred to me is that vegetarians, like women, are expected to let go of their firmly held beliefs because we are told that someday we&#8217;ll change our minds. For example:</p>
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<li>&#8220;Someday, you <em>will</em> decide to eat meat, and you <em>will</em> realize that being a vegetarian was stupid all along. You&#8217;re just being stubborn. Being a vegetarian isn&#8217;t <em>changing </em>anything. You&#8217;re missing out!&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Oh, you don&#8217;t <em>know </em>that you don&#8217;t want children! Someday you&#8217;ll meet a man who will change your mind about marriage and children&#8211;he will want those things, and you will realize that he is right.&#8221;</li>
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<p>The idea here is that people are vegetarians on a silly whim, not because of firmly held beliefs; that women who say they don&#8217;t want children don&#8217;t have <em>reasons</em>, that they haven&#8217;t thought it through, that someday a man, whose opinion is more valuable than a woman&#8217;s, will convince her that <em></em>she has been wrong all along.</p>
<p>I want to take this a little further.  I&#8217;ve been a vegetarian for my entire life.  With the exception of some ill-advised Chicken McNuggets, eaten out of a desire for Happy Meal toys, I have never eaten meat.  I&#8217;m also a life-long atheist (I tend to call myself a &#8220;secular humanist,&#8221; because it holds a meaning of its own, rather than simply negating the existence of god(s), but the point is that I don&#8217;t believe in God, and I never have).  (These two things, combined with my feminism, make me <em>real </em>popular at family events&#8211;popular like the punching bag at your local boxing gym!)</p>
<p>Vegetarianism and atheism each come with a huge assortment of stereotypes&#8211;vegetarians are new-agey, they&#8217;re way into yoga, they&#8217;re members of PETA, they hate everyone who wears fur or leather, and they call their pets &#8220;companion animals&#8221;; atheists are mean, they hate and ridicule religious people, they want to eliminate all religion and teach children that God isn&#8217;t real, they worship Charles Darwin/Richard Dawkins/Sam Harris/Christopher Hitchens, they burn crosses and religious texts, etc.  As it happens, none of these things apply to me.  In fact, I&#8217;m hardly involved with vegetarian/animal rights groups (PETA makes me mad) or the New Atheist movement.  Vegetarianism and atheism are simply facts about me, alongside my hair color, shoe size, gender, and relationship status.</p>
<p>But vegetarianism and atheism were my way into feminism.</p>
<p>It began years ago when, as a young teenager, an aunt (who knew I was a vegetarian) expressed surprise that I was uninterested in learning how to cook meat.  Her reaction followed a pattern I think many feminists (and even many women who do not identify as feminists) will recognize:  &#8220;But what about your husband?  What if he eats meat?  Won&#8217;t you cook meat <em>for him</em>?&#8221;</p>
<p>In response, I said something like, &#8220;If I decide to get married someday, and my husband does eat meat, he&#8217;ll just have to know how to cook it for himself.&#8221;</p>
<p>My aunt then said something to me that I&#8217;ve heard countless times since: &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;ll see!  You&#8217;ll change your mind when it comes down to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The underlying idea here is that, because I&#8217;m a woman and domestic work is generally assumed to be <em>my </em>duty, I will someday give in to a man&#8217;s will.  He will expect me to cook for him.  He will expect that I will sacrifice my firmly held ethical belief against eating or dealing with meat, and his expectation will be sufficient to convince me that my beliefs don&#8217;t matter.  A man has needs, and meat is one of those needs.  If I can&#8217;t fulfill it, I will simply not be marriage material (and that is where my value lies&#8211;in my marriageability).</p>
<p>Within a few months of that initial conversation, I had another, eerily similar one with another aunt, at a baby shower.  My aunt looked at me (visibly bored out of my mind) and said, &#8220;I guess you&#8217;ll be next!&#8221;</p>
<p>I was horrified&#8211;I&#8217;d be the next one to have a baby?  I was fifteen, at most, and I&#8217;d never had a boyfriend.  I explained to her, with a fully red face, &#8220;I&#8217;m much too young for that.  Besides, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll ever get married or have children.&#8221;</p>
<p>She looked concerned and said, &#8220;Of course you will.  And if you don’t think you want to <em>now</em>, you’ll change your mind when you meet a man who <em>does </em>want to get married and have children.  Even if you don’t want it for yourself, you’ll want it for him.”</p>
<p>As I wrote above, the essential point here is that women&#8217;s own opinions and decisions about their lives carry very little weight.  They are subject to veto by the men in their lives, and women don&#8217;t have the wherewithal to a) stand up for what they want (because they didn&#8217;t want it that badly in the first place, because they knew deep down that their opinions weren&#8217;t &#8220;reasonable&#8221; or &#8220;solid,&#8221; and that men are the deciders) or b) decide not to be with a men who coerces them into marriage or children (because ultimately <em>all </em>women want to get married, because an unmarried woman <em>must </em>be desperate and lonely&#8211;and she would be crazy to turn down a man who wants to marry her).</p>
<p>The first time I told my parents I was an atheist, I was four years old and in the car with my mom.  We were on the way home from church (Catholic, though neither of my parents is a real believer, and neither has practiced for years), and I told my mom that God didn&#8217;t make any sense.  I&#8217;m not sure how seriously my mom took me, but she has always had an incredible level of respect for my intelligence, so I assume she believed me.  I didn&#8217;t have the vocabulary to explain my beliefs yet, and I didn&#8217;t gain it until I was fourteen and I heard the word &#8220;atheist&#8221; for the first time, and realized it applied to me.  The second time I told my parents I was an atheist, my mom was indifferent, and my dad told me I was too young to know that for sure.  Of course, the implication there is that, because I was &#8220;too young,&#8221; I was saying things I didn&#8217;t mean, things I would later come to regret.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been eight or so years since then, and I&#8217;ve never doubted my atheism (in fact, I haven&#8217;t doubted it since I was four, after the first time paid attention to what the priest was saying in church).  But the questions continue.  A friend in high school asked whether, when I get married, I would bend to the religious beliefs of my spouse when deciding how our children would be raised.  To me, the practice of religious indoctrination of children is utterly unacceptable&#8211;so, no, I will not sacrifice that belief in order to please my spouse.  The implication, again, is that as an atheist (i.e. person with non-standard/socially unacceptable religious beliefs) female (you know where this is going), my intentions for my children (if I choose to have them) will be of less value/weight than the intentions of my husband/spouse (if I choose to have one).</p>
<p>The point this is coming around to is that vegetarians and atheists, like women more broadly, are expected to forgo their sincere, <em>firmly held </em>personal/ethical/religious beliefs or preferences in favor of others (read: people who eat meat, people with religion, men).  Eating meat, believing in God, getting married, and having children are cultural expectations.  If you say that you won&#8217;t do one or all of those things, especially if you happen to be a woman, you are opened up to immensely personal questions, speculations, and assumptions.</p>
<p>I arrived at feminism because I tired of the slew of expectations that were thrust upon me because of my gender.  I tired of being asked questions with the same basic root: &#8220;But what about your poor, poor future hubby?&#8221;</p>
<p>But what about me?  It&#8217;s not selfish to know what you believe in (or don&#8217;t believe in), to know what you want (or don&#8217;t want) out of your life.  I might not want to get married, and I will not be coerced into marriage because it is a cultural expectation.  I might not want children, and if I do want children, I refuse to allow them to be indoctrinated into a religion.  I do not eat meat, and I will never eat meat, and I will never touch&#8211;nevermind cook!&#8211;meat, and anyone I&#8217;m with will just have to deal with it.  I will not be coerced out of my beliefs.  No one should be.</p>
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